Bikely - Steps to importing GPX files ?

Steps to importing GPX files ?

alanm — Thu, 03 May 2007 09:05:11 +0000

I've been using Bikely.com for a while and have had no problem creating/saving and updating routes.

Now I've got a Garmin Edge 305 and have exported gpx files of a few routes I'd like to import into Bikely.com

Unfortunately, I seem to be having a "grey block" when it comes to navigating the import logic.

Starting with "Create Route" and clicking on the "Import Route" dropdown, I use the Browse function to locate my gpx file and then click "import".

Then I'm given the "locate your starting point" screen (same one I see when I choose Create Route / Draw Route). Nothing I seem to do from here causes me to proceed down any path other than manually drawing a new route.

What's the obvious-in-hindsight step I'm missing to get from the "Import" button to seeing my gpx'd route show in Bikely?

(BTW: Help/Tutorials didn't help, and didn't find anything particularly helpful in these forum threads (and that's a first!))

thx,
...alan

Steps to importing GPX files ?

Kevin Pfeiffer — Thu, 03 May 2007 18:19:01 +0000

Hi Alan,

Welcome to the world of Edge! It's not perfect (I don't really use its lap functions, etc.), but it is light and small.

After you have identified the starting location (it then appears in the upper-right corner of the screen) you click on Start Drawing. The route is already drawn, but here is the point where you can identify start/stop locations and any important landmarks along the way. Then click on Describe Route, where you can add a title, tags, etc. and finally click on Save. That's it.

Right now, the only drawback to uploading tracks is that for navigational purposes they contain, as Emperor Joseph II said, "too many notes". This slows things down a little and takes up a bit of extra memory in your GPX.

There was a rumor that Bikely would add an optional "weeding" function for removing some points, but things here seem to be moving -- for now, at least -- as slowly under the new management as under the old.

Let us know if that doesn't help or if I misunderstood the problem.

Steps to importing GPX files ?

Kevin Pfeiffer — Thu, 03 May 2007 18:21:44 +0000

A followup... after the import/upload I assume that you do /see/ your route on the map? If not, try a different route; you can even download a route here and re-upload. And are you sure that the file is in GPX format?

-Kevin

Steps to importing GPX files ?

craigdurkee — Thu, 03 May 2007 21:42:29 +0000

i have uploaded many gpx files and they work fine, im using gps tuner on my pocket pc, what are you guys using..

If anyone wants a gpx file to try themselves please email me craigdurkee@gmail.com

Steps to importing GPX files ?

digitography — Fri, 04 May 2007 04:35:07 +0000

I haven't been able to get this to work either, really would be the only way I would want to use it.

I am making some sweeping assumptions here, so bear with me.
I have a Garmin GPS V, I import the tracklog into mapsource, and then export a file the only way that the software allows, which is as a txt file with the data in WGS 84 data format.

I have tried using a gpx file extension to no avail, I have the same problem as Alanm in that after importing I get the locate dialog box. I have successfully used this technique on other mapping sites, so not sure what is going on.

Steps to importing GPX files ?

alanm — Sat, 05 May 2007 13:39:35 +0000

Well, I've tried it again, with no different steps, and now it works. Previously, the imported route would not show at all. Now it does.
Thanks for the comments,
...alan

Steps to importing GPX files ?

Kevin Pfeiffer — Mon, 07 May 2007 05:33:26 +0000

"digitography" wrote: I have a Garmin GPS V, I import the tracklog into mapsource, and then export a file the only way that the software allows, which is as a txt file with the data in WGS 84 data format.

I don't really know for sure, but I assume that the GPX and the WGS84 format are not the same! GPSBabel could probably do the format conversion: GPS Babel

Steps to importing GPX files ?

alanm — Mon, 07 May 2007 06:12:34 +0000

With the Garmin Edge units, it's quite easy to upload. With the Garmin Edge connected to your PC, sync with MotionBased.com. MotionBased.com can then export a gpx file, which can then be uploaded & imported into Bikely. Like having a "no chain" ride!
...alan

Steps to importing GPX files ?

Kevin Pfeiffer — Sun, 13 May 2007 00:05:43 +0000

> With the Garmin Edge units, it's quite easy to upload.

Except that he is talking about a Garmin GPS V...

Steps to importing GPX files ?

krudnick — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 06:59:05 +0000

I, too, am missing something in the user interface, here. I imported a gpx file, set the location, went to Describe and named and categorized my route, even added notes for the Start and End points. When I click on Save, I get the message "You must enter some points". I have 2990 points imported. Why must I enter some manual points? I tried adding a dummy point and saving - same message (I now have 2991 points). I also tried adding Notes to half a dozen or so turn points. Still ... same message. What am I missing?
[fwiw - I tried this with 2 ways of generating gpx from my Edge 305: MotionBased and SportTracks - same xml tags. I also experimented with firefox, my normal browser and IE7 (reluctantly) - same old message]

Steps to importing GPX files ?

Kevin Pfeiffer — Tue, 03 Jul 2007 08:05:34 +0000

Have you tried (just for the record) re-importing a GPX from a known course here? I use a 205, so I can't say whether the problem might be with the source data or something else, such as the javascript functions. You may end up having to contact Bikely directly (bikely@bikely.com) for more help.

Steps to importing GPX files ?

krudnick — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 04:51:43 +0000

Good suggestion. Exporting gpx "from" bikely and importing back in worked just fine. Interestingly the xml document tags are slightly different. From both MotionBased and SportsTrack (after importing from my Edge 305 directly to both apps), the gpx files are somewhat similar in document elements (both use and , while bikely uses and - both descriptions are valid under the ver 1.1 gpx documented format). For example, MotionBased looks like:



http://www.motionbased.net/site/schemas/mbx/0.0.1/mbx.xsd" creator="MotionBased Technolgies http://www.motionbased.com" version="1.0">


17.4
 -17T08:31:53-07:00
 180.1.

17.4
 -17T08:31:54-07:00
 249.0.

...etc.

From SportsTrack, a segment of a file (different route) looks like:



http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd"> />  
    1
    
      
        483
        -24T15:54:41Z
      
      
        489
        -24T15:54:43Z
      
...etc

The gpx file exported from bikely looks like:



creator="Bikely - http://www.bikely.com" />xmlns="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1"
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd"> />
Dana Pt
Permalink: http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Dana-Pt
]]>



  Point 0
  Start Magee Park
  17.4


  Point 1
  17.4


  Point 2
  17.4

...etc

So the only real difference is that MotionBased and SportsTrack use the "trk" and "trkpt" document elements, while bikely uses the "rte" and "rtept" elements. All 3 are referencing the same gpx schema .xsd, so all are presumably valid. For grins, I did a global change of "trkpt" to "rtept" and manually edited the closing "rte" tags from the original "trk" tag. Amazingly this worked. So, I guess I will write bikely@bikely.com to suggest that "trkpt" be treated the same as "rtept". bikely obviously can read the trkpt tags correctly as the route is correct on the map. I just cannot save it as it thinks I have entered 0 pts.

Thanks for making me look at it that way.

Steps to importing GPX files ?

krudnick — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 05:55:13 +0000

One last comment while at it. Actually, MotionBased uses the older http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/0/gpx.xsd schema (ver 1.0) for gpx. Nevertheless, both sets of document elements: / and / show up in ver 1.0 and in http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd , (ver 1.1) which is the version which both bikely and SportsTrack reference. Incidentally, in gpx ver 1.1, and are both of type="wptType" presumably meaning waypoint.

Steps to importing GPX files ?

BlueMM — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 07:34:11 +0000

Check out my discussion GPX import/export issues/bugs, about wanting the GPX export to be in Track format (not Route format). I sounds like it could make it easier to upload into GPS's etc.

Steps to importing GPX files ?

krudnick — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 08:32:05 +0000

Thanks for the link. I had read your post on the GMap2GPX bookmarklet and noticed the relationship. Remarkably, I was able to import my files this evening with no problem - meaning code has been updated since my original post or computer voodoo. Of course, only one track segment. I realize it's a UI issue, but if you had multiple TrkSegs, you might want a quick dialogue to either select one or concatenate them all together if importing into Bikely. There are occasions where I do have multiple track segments, and I would like them each to be a route.

Steps to importing GPX files ?

Kevin Pfeiffer — Fri, 06 Jul 2007 21:26:39 +0000

There was a bug in the server code that was fixed only a day or so ago (see elsewhere).

-K