1. • CommentAuthoralanm
   • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007

    
   I've been using Bikely.com for a while and have had no problem creating/saving and updating routes.
   
   Now I've got a Garmin Edge 305 and have exported gpx files of a few routes I'd like to import into Bikely.com
   
   Unfortunately, I seem to be having a "grey block" when it comes to navigating the import logic.
   
   Starting with "Create Route" and clicking on the "Import Route" dropdown, I use the Browse function to locate my gpx file and then click "import".
   
   Then I'm given the "locate your starting point" screen (same one I see when I choose Create Route / Draw Route). Nothing I seem to do from here causes me to proceed down any path other than manually drawing a new route.
   
   What's the obvious-in-hindsight step I'm missing to get from the "Import" button to seeing my gpx'd route show in Bikely?
   
   (BTW: Help/Tutorials didn't help, and didn't find anything particularly helpful in these forum threads (and that's a first!))
   
   thx,
   ...alan
2. •  
     CommentAuthorKevin Pfeiffer
   • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007

    
   Hi Alan,
   
   Welcome to the world of Edge! It's not perfect (I don't really use its lap functions, etc.), but it is light and small.
   
   After you have identified the starting location (it then appears in the upper-right corner of the screen) you click on Start Drawing. The route is already drawn, but here is the point where you can identify start/stop locations and any important landmarks along the way. Then click on Describe Route, where you can add a title, tags, etc. and finally click on Save. That's it.
   
   Right now, the only drawback to uploading tracks is that for navigational purposes they contain, as Emperor Joseph II said, "too many notes". This slows things down a little and takes up a bit of extra memory in your GPX.
   
   There was a rumor that Bikely would add an optional "weeding" function for removing some points, but things here seem to be moving -- for now, at least -- as slowly under the new management as under the old.
   
   Let us know if that doesn't help or if I misunderstood the problem.
3. •  
     CommentAuthorKevin Pfeiffer
   • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007

    
   A followup... after the import/upload I assume that you do /see/ your route on the map? If not, try a different route; you can even download a route here and re-upload. And are you sure that the file is in GPX format?
   
   -Kevin
4. • CommentAuthorcraigdurkee
   • CommentTimeMay 3rd 2007

    
   i have uploaded many gpx files and they work fine, im using gps tuner on my pocket pc, what are you guys using..
   
   If anyone wants a gpx file to try themselves please email me craigdurkee@gmail.com
5. • CommentAuthordigitography
   • CommentTimeMay 4th 2007

    
   I haven't been able to get this to work either, really would be the only way I would want to use it.
   
   I am making some sweeping assumptions here, so bear with me.
   I have a Garmin GPS V, I import the tracklog into mapsource, and then export a file the only way that the software allows, which is as a txt file with the data in WGS 84 data format.
   
   I have tried using a gpx file extension to no avail, I have the same problem as Alanm in that after importing I get the locate dialog box. I have successfully used this technique on other mapping sites, so not sure what is going on.
6. • CommentAuthoralanm
   • CommentTimeMay 5th 2007

    
   Well, I've tried it again, with no different steps, and now it works. Previously, the imported route would not show at all. Now it does.
   Thanks for the comments,
   ...alan
7. •  
     CommentAuthorKevin Pfeiffer
   • CommentTimeMay 7th 2007

    
   "digitography" wrote: I have a Garmin GPS V, I import the tracklog into mapsource, and then export a file the only way that the software allows, which is as a txt file with the data in WGS 84 data format.
   
   I don't really know for sure, but I assume that the GPX and the WGS84 format are not the same! GPSBabel could probably do the format conversion: GPS Babel
8. • CommentAuthoralanm
   • CommentTimeMay 7th 2007

    
   With the Garmin Edge units, it's quite easy to upload. With the Garmin Edge connected to your PC, sync with MotionBased.com. MotionBased.com can then export a gpx file, which can then be uploaded & imported into Bikely. Like having a "no chain" ride!
   ...alan
9. •  
     CommentAuthorKevin Pfeiffer
   • CommentTimeMay 13th 2007

    
   > With the Garmin Edge units, it's quite easy to upload.
   
   Except that he is talking about a Garmin GPS V...
10. • CommentAuthorkrudnick
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2007 edited

     
    I, too, am missing something in the user interface, here. I imported a gpx file, set the location, went to Describe and named and categorized my route, even added notes for the Start and End points. When I click on Save, I get the message "You must enter some points". I have 2990 points imported. Why must I enter some manual points? I tried adding a dummy point and saving - same message (I now have 2991 points). I also tried adding Notes to half a dozen or so turn points. Still ... same message. What am I missing?
    [fwiw - I tried this with 2 ways of generating gpx from my Edge 305: MotionBased and SportTracks - same xml tags. I also experimented with firefox, my normal browser and IE7 (reluctantly) - same old message]
11. •  
      CommentAuthorKevin Pfeiffer
    • CommentTimeJul 3rd 2007

     
    Have you tried (just for the record) re-importing a GPX from a known course here? I use a 205, so I can't say whether the problem might be with the source data or something else, such as the javascript functions. You may end up having to contact Bikely directly (bikely@bikely.com) for more help.
12. • CommentAuthorkrudnick
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2007 edited

     
    Good suggestion. Exporting gpx "from" bikely and importing back in worked just fine. Interestingly the xml document tags are slightly different. From both MotionBased and SportsTrack (after importing from my Edge 305 directly to both apps), the gpx files are somewhat similar in document elements (both use <trk> and <trkpt>, while bikely uses <rte> and <rtept> - both descriptions are valid under the ver 1.1 gpx documented format). For example, MotionBased looks like:
    
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<gpx xmlns="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/0" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns:mbx="http://www.motionbased.net/mbx" xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/0 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/0/gpx.xsd http://www.motionbased.net/mbx http://www.motionbased.net/site/schemas/mbx/0.0.1/mbx.xsd" creator="MotionBased Technolgies http://www.motionbased.com" version="1.0">
<trk><mbx:gpsTrackPk></mbx:gpsTrackPk>
<trkseg>
<trkpt lat="33." lon="-117."><ele>17.4</ele>
<time>-17T08:31:53-07:00</time>
<course>180.</course><speed>1.</speed>
</trkpt>
<trkpt lat="33." lon="-117."><ele>17.4</ele>
<time>-17T08:31:54-07:00</time>
<course>249.</course><speed>0.</speed>
</trkpt>
...etc.

    From SportsTrack, a segment of a file (different route) looks like:
    
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<gpx version="1.1" creator="SportTracks" xmlns:st="urn:uuid:D0EB2ED5-49B6-44e3-B13C-CF15BE7DD7DD" xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance" xmlns="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1" schemaLocation="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd"> /> <trk>
<number>1</number>
<trkseg>
<trkpt lat="33." lon="-116.">
<ele>483</ele>
<time>-24T15:54:41Z</time>
</trkpt>
<trkpt lat="33." lon="-116.">
<ele>489</ele>
<time>-24T15:54:43Z</time>
</trkpt>
...etc

    The gpx file exported from bikely looks like:
    
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<gpx version="1.1"
creator="Bikely - http://www.bikely.com" />xmlns="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1"
xmlns:xsi="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema-instance"
xsi:schemaLocation="http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1 http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd"> /><rte>
<name>Dana Pt</name>
<cmt>Permalink: <![CDATA[
http://www.bikely.com/maps/bike-path/Dana-Pt
]]>
</cmt>

<rtept lat="33." lon="-117.">
<name>Point 0</name>
<cmt>Start Magee Park</cmt>
<ele>17.4</ele>
</rtept>
<rtept lat="33." lon="-117.">
<name>Point 1</name>
<ele>17.4</ele>
</rtept>
<rtept lat="33." lon="-117.">
<name>Point 2</name>
<ele>17.4</ele>
</rtept>
...etc

    So the only real difference is that MotionBased and SportsTrack use the "trk" and "trkpt" document elements, while bikely uses the "rte" and "rtept" elements. All 3 are referencing the same gpx schema .xsd, so all are presumably valid. For grins, I did a global change of "trkpt" to "rtept" and manually edited the closing "rte" tags from the original "trk" tag. Amazingly this worked. So, I guess I will write bikely@bikely.com to suggest that "trkpt" be treated the same as "rtept". bikely obviously can read the trkpt tags correctly as the route is correct on the map. I just cannot save it as it thinks I have entered 0 pts.
    
    Thanks for making me look at it that way.
13. • CommentAuthorkrudnick
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2007 edited

     
    One last comment while at it. Actually, MotionBased uses the older http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/0/gpx.xsd schema (ver 1.0) for gpx. Nevertheless, both sets of document elements: <rte>/<rtept> and <trk>/<trkpt> show up in ver 1.0 and in http://www.topografix.com/GPX/1/1/gpx.xsd , (ver 1.1) which is the version which both bikely and SportsTrack reference. Incidentally, in gpx ver 1.1, <rtept> and <trkpt> are both of type="wptType" presumably meaning waypoint.
14. • CommentAuthorBlueMM
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2007

     
    Check out my discussion GPX import/export issues/bugs, about wanting the GPX export to be in Track format (not Route format). I sounds like it could make it easier to upload into GPS's etc.
15. • CommentAuthorkrudnick
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2007

     
    Thanks for the link. I had read your post on the GMap2GPX bookmarklet and noticed the relationship. Remarkably, I was able to import my files this evening with no problem - meaning code has been updated since my original post or computer voodoo. Of course, only one track segment. I realize it's a UI issue, but if you had multiple TrkSegs, you might want a quick dialogue to either select one or concatenate them all together if importing into Bikely. There are occasions where I do have multiple track segments, and I would like them each to be a route.
16. •  
      CommentAuthorKevin Pfeiffer
    • CommentTimeJul 6th 2007

     
    There was a bug in the server code that was fixed only a day or so ago (see elsewhere).
    
    -K

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